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HYDE: Mr. Schippers, your time is expired. Do you need additional
time? SCHIPPERS: There's been some suggestion, judge, that this was merely a private crime. The United States Constitution provides for three branches of government, does it not?
SCHIPPERS: Co-equal branches?
SCHIPPERS: And the judiciary is co-equal with the executive?
SCHIPPERS: Did I understand you earlier to say that lying under oath, perjury and obstruction of justice strikes at the very heart of the judicial system of the United States?
SCHIPPERS: So when the president of the United States lies under oath, civil or criminal case, grand jury or other, and obstructs justice, civil or criminal, grand jury or other, he is effectively attacking the judicial branch of the United States constitutional government, isn't he?
SCHIPPERS: And that president takes the oath that he will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will to the best of his ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States -- right?
SCHIPPERS: That's not defending, is it?
SCHIPPERS: There is a term that has stuck in my brain from these transcripts that I've read, and that is "mission accomplished." When Webb Hubbell needed help, Vernon Jordan got somebody at Revlon or the parent company of Revlon to put him on retainer for no work, right?
SCHIPPERS: So Vernon Jordan, mission accomplished. When Monica was looking for a job, and it became very urgent for her to get a job, Mr. Jordan again accomplished his mission.
SCHIPPERS: When Ms. Currie -- when they wanted to get rid of the gifts, Ms. Currie went and picked them up, put them under her bed to keep them from anybody else; another mission accomplished.
SCHIPPERS: By the way, there's been some talk here that Monica said that she recalled that Betty Currie called her and said, "Either the president wants me to pick something up or I understand you have something for me to pick up." Later Ms. Currie backed off of that and said, "Well, I'm not sure. Maybe Monica called me." In the material that you made available, you and your staff made available to us, there were 302s in which Monica said, "I think, when Betty called me, she was using her cell phone." Do you recall that, Judge Starr?
SCHIPPERS: And in that same material that's in your office, that both parties were able to review and that we did, in fact, review, there are phone records of Ms. Currie, are there not?
SCHIPPERS: And there is a telephone call on her cell phone to Monica Lewinsky's home on the afternoon of December 28th, 1997, isn't there?
SCHIPPERS: Once again, Monica is right and she has been corroborated, right? STARR: That certainly tends to corroborate Ms. Lewinsky's recollection.
SCHIPPERS: Now --
SCHIPPERS: I'm sorry? HYDE: She wanted to know if it was okay to laugh. SCHIPPERS: Lewinsky -- now, when Ms. Lewinsky was subpoenaed, Mr. Jordan contacted the president and then got Ms. Lewinsky an attorney, Mr. Carter. Is that right?
SCHIPPERS: Another mission accomplished. When Monica did her job search and she signed a false affidavit, the next day she was up in New York trying to get a job. Isn't that right?
SCHIPPERS: And she couldn't get a job because she kind of didn't do a very good job on the interview.
SCHIPPERS: This is when Mr. Jordan called the chairman of the board and got her the job.
SCHIPPERS: So Mr. Jordan at that time knew that the false affidavit had been signed and that he had a job for Monica. And he went to see the president of the United States and said, "Mission accomplished," didn't he?
SCHIPPERS: But he knew the affidavit had been signed --
SCHIPPERS: -- and he knew that the job had been gotten, and he went in to the president and said, "Mission accomplished."
SCHIPPERS: We don't know which he was referring to, whether it was the job or "We got the affidavit signed," do we?
SCHIPPERS: Judge Starr, I only have a few more questions. You are a senior partner in a major law firm, or you were before you took your leave of absence.
SCHIPPERS: You are a recognized scholar in constitutional law and in law in general. You have been the solicitor general of the United States. Is that correct?
SCHIPPERS: Argued a number of cases before the Supreme Court of the United States.
SCHIPPERS: You have received honorary doctors of law degrees from six universities.
SCHIPPERS: You've written numberless articles in various scholarly journals.
SCHIPPERS: You have a completely unblemished career for your entire life as a lawyer and you're looked upon in the profession as a man of honor, integrity and decency. Is that right?
SCHIPPERS: For the past year, you have been trashed in the newspapers, on television and with snide backward remarks, to which you could not reply. Isn't that right, Judge Starr?
And I've been privileged to serve with two John Marshall Award winners, and that's special at the Justice Department. That means there's no better trial lawyer in the Department of Justice recognized in a particular year. And I've been privileged to serve with two of them, with public corruption chiefs. These are career civil servants, and it's not right and it's not fair to attack and calumny career civil servants. But for my part, I've learned that it goes with the independent counsel territory. SCHIPPERS: And the independent counsel job, you didn't seek that, did you?
SCHIPPERS: You were asked to take it. And you tried to leave, and your staff begged you to stay and you did stay. Is that right? STARR: All of that is true. I never sought this job. I'm reminded of the old song about taking a job and what you then do with it. But it would be indecorous of me to say. But, no, I was asked by the special division to take on this responsibility. The three-judge panel saw fit to ask me to serve.
SCHIPPERS: You have been given a duty that you did not seek and you've performed that duty to the best of your ability. Is that correct, sir? N E X "We're big, big boys, and I mean that in a gender- neutral way"
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